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Introduction by Mr. Rick Noorman:

Prof. Engelsma will be defending the position that the doctrine of common grace is not reformed. Prof. Engelsma currently  is professor of Dogmatics and Old Testament Studies at the Theological School of the Protestant Reformed Churches  in Grandville, Michigan.  He has served in this position for the past fifteen years. Following his schooling in the Protestant Reformed Seminary, he served as pastor of Protestant Reformed Churches in Loveland, Colorado  and South Holland, Illinois. He is a graduate of Calvin College, and he earned his Masters of Theology   Degree at Calvin Theological Seminary. He has authored several books defending the historically   reformed position on marriage, divorce and remarriage, Christian education, the covenant, and the end-times. Prof. Engelsma is also the editor of the reformed periodical the Standard Bearer published by  the Reformed Free Publishing Association. Prof. Engelsma is married to his wife...Ruth, and he has many  children. Please welcome with me tonight Prof. David Engelsma.


 Transcription of  A Debate On Common Grace 9/12/ 03 Distributed by  the Evangelism Society of Southeast Protestant Reformed Church;
Grand Rapids, Michigan


               (We are indebted to brother Andrew Magni for providing this transcription of the debate.   The following represents that part of the transcription of the debate as presented by Dr. Richard Mouw.   For the entire transcription, see "Debate on Common Grace."  The audio can be downloaded by using the figure:  wpe2.jpg (858 bytes); or it can be streamed using the figure:Real-Audio .)



                                               Table of Contents 
 
                     First Session - Speeches of Dr.Mouw & Prof.Engelsma
(a continuation of debate in which Dr. Mouw presented the affirmative position)
 
1.4.I-XVIII    Speech of Prof.David J.Engelsma contra cultural common grace    
 
1.4.I               He Shines has instigated broad renewal of the discussion of common grace
                      amongst Protestants
          
1.4.II              Dr.Mouw’s fair treatment of PRC concerns that common grace teaching opens the
                       church to the wicked influences of the world 
                      
1.4.III             Debate limited to cultural common grace as distinguished from evangelical
                       common grace and its related concepts of the so-called ‘free offer of the gospel‘
                       and a sincere divine desire for the realization of universalism      
 
1.4.IV             Prof.Engelsma speaks as spokesman of PRC for their three main reasons for
                       objection to common grace
 
1.4.V              First - Allegedly an overriding axiomatic principle of Christian life and world-view,
                       its significant utter absence in reformed symbols, except in the Canons wherein       
                       it is attributed to the universal potentiality of salvation doctrine of the Arminians: 
                       cp: Canons : Head III-IV Rejection of Errors V  
 
1.4.VI            Conflicts with symbols’ explication of total depravity, rendering it hypothetical,
                      that is, apart from common grace it would have been an attribute of mankind :
                      cp. Heidelberg Catechism Q/A 8    
 
1.4.VII           Conflicts with symbols’ definition of grace as particular, and derived from election           
                      (by  positing a universal grace which renders the judgments of Rom.3:9ff as
                       hypothetical ), thereby perverting the gospel, and dissipating its offense   
 
1.4.VIII          Wrath alone upon unbelievers, cp. Rom.1:16ff, grace, life, and righteousness in
                       Christ, wrath, death, and guilt outside of Christ, [cp. Rom.2:6-10]: common
                       grace teaching of God’s universal favor upon men is anti-confessional by
                       contradicting the premises of their anthropology, soteriology, etc.
 
1.4.IX            Second - Destruction of the Antithesis, that is, the enmity  between the seed of
                      Christ, and the seed of the serpent, cp. Gen.3:15, Deut.33:28, 2 Cor.6:14ff
       
1.4.X             Fatally antithetical to the antithesis, common grace posits a fellowship in grace
                      between the two seeds, such that Christian churches/institutions are effectively 
                      destroyed by  opening themselves to the thinking and conversation of the world cp.
                      Augustine’s  City of God                 
 
1.4.XI            Bitter fruits of worldliness in Churches and schools mature, and Christians are      
                      enervated in their struggle with the wicked world, wherever the doctrine of
                      common grace has been embraced over the last century  as unambiguously
                      demonstrated in the history of the Netherlands, and U.S.
                             
1.4.XII          Third - Inevitable tendency  to universalism, ex. Dr.Mouw’s speculation at the end   
                      of  He Shines, which latter doctrine is the destruction of the gospel of Christ
 
1.4.XIII         Summary  of PRC objections
 
1.4.XIV-XVIII     Four point clarification of PRC Position
 
1.4.XIV         First - God’s good gifts to the ungodly as judgment, cp. Psalm 73, all things, even
                      world sufferings and physical deprivation, are blessings to the believers 1Cor.3:21,            
                      Rom.8:28 
 
1.4.XV          Second - Every  work of unbelievers is sin, cp. Rom.14:23, “glittering vices“
                     Augustine      
 
1.4.XVI,   Third - Doctrine of creation the basis of an active Christian life in the ordinances     
XVII         thereof without compromising the antithesis; for Christians activity is by  power
                 of grace of which the unbeliever is void. PRC contrariety  to pietism based upon
                 Lord’s creation dominion cp. 1 Cor.10:26,28; 1 Tim.4:4.
    
1.4.XVIII  Fourth - Scripture knows only a single, redemptive Christological historical-purpose,
                 cp. Col.1:16-18, common grace posits two, Christ and a Christ-less culture which           
                 invariably exceeds Him in preeminence.  



1.4.I                      
Mister moderator, my esteemed co-disputant and friends. All of us have honored reformed doctrine by  our coming together tonight. What brings us together is a debate over the issue  whether the grace of God is common or particular. And this issue is distinctively a reformed issue. For this discussion of the doctrine of common grace we have Dr. Richard Mouw to thank. And I thank him now face to face, as about a year ago I thanked him in writing. In his recent book, He Shines in All That’s Fair, Dr. Mouw has renewed the discussion of the doctrine of common grace. He has renewed the discussion, not only among reformed people, but also among evangelicals. Not long ago Christianity Today featured Dr. Mouw’s book and the doctrine of common grace in a lengthy  article. Indeed, even the Protestant liberals join the discussion : University  of Chicago theologian Brian Gerrish has written a lengthy  review of Mouw’s book.
1.4.II
In his treatment of common grace, Dr. Mouw has presented the Protestant Reformed rejection of common grace fairly , and even, with a certain respect. He is sensitive to the spiritual concern of the Protestant Reformed Churches : the conviction that the doctrine of common grace opens the church up to the corrupting influence of the wicked world. Mouw remarked, that in their rejection of common grace, and in their insistence on the separation of the church and the world, the Protestant Reformed Churches may  lay some claim to be true to the theology  of John Calvin. Dr. Mouw himself, of course, enthusiastically  endorses the common grace project. Indeed, he wants to spread the doctrine beyond the boundaries of reformed churches and he advocates a far more aggressive exercise of common grace than heretofore. He proposes what he calls, “ common grace ministries “. Hence, our debate this evening.
1.4.III
All of us should understand that Dr. Mouw and I are limiting ourselves tonight to one aspect of the doctrine of common grace. That aspect which we are airing tonight is a grace of God supposedly shown to the non-elect or reprobate, in which God gives them good gifts, such as rain and sunshine on the fields of an atheist farmer, and musical ability to W.A.Mozart. And in which God restrains sin in the reprobate so that they are not completely  depraved, but partially good, and therefore are able to perform works that are truly  good, even though they are not the highest form of good. In addition that aspect of common grace that we are discussing tonight holds that by  virtue of the common grace of God, Christians can, may, and should form friendships with unbelievers. Especially in order to cooperate with unbelievers in building a good, even godly, culture. There is another, more important aspect of common grace. A love of  God for all humans without exception in the preaching of the gospel of Christ in which God sincerely  desires the salvation of all humans without exception. This was not the subject of Dr. Mouw’s book, and this is not our  subject tonight. Our subject tonight is what I might call, cultural common grace.
1.4.IV
I deny  that the doctrine of common grace is reformed, and I do so as a representative of the Protestant Reformed Churches. I put forward three main reasons why  we object to the doctrine of common grace.
1.4.V
First of all the Reformed Faith is defined by the Reformed Confessions, and common grace is not taught in the Reformed Confessions. The reformed creeds mention common grace one time, and this mention attributes the doctrine of common grace to the Arminians, whose teaching the creed, the Canons of Dort, condemns as heresy. The Arminians used the doctrine of common grace in the service of their teaching that God on His part is, quote, “ ready  to reveal Christ unto all men “ end of quote. In view of the great things that are ascribed to common grace by  its defenders, it forms nothing less than a world view, the silence of the confessions is deafening. The complete absence of the doctrine of common grace in the creeds may not be decisive for the question : is the doctrine of common grace reformed ? But the silence of the creeds certainly  should give pause to those who want to proclaim the doctrine as important, even fundamental reformed truth. The matters are worse for the doctrine of common grace as far as the creeds are concerned than that the Heidelberg Catechism, the Belgic Confession, and the Canons of Dort, and, I may  add, the Westminster Standards as well, know absolutely nothing of this doctrine.
1.4.VI
The doctrine of common grace conflicts with teachings that are found in the creeds. Teachings that are fundamental. I mention two : Common grace conflicts with the confessional teaching of total depravity : the Heidelberg Catechism in question and answer eight is representative : I quote, “ Are we then so corrupt that we are wholly  incapable of doing any good, and inclined to all wickedness ? Indeed, we are, except we are regenerated by  the Spirit of God. “ end of quote. Common grace, however, teaches a work of God in all humans that restrains sin, so that all humans are partially  good, and capable of doing good. The effect of the doctrine of common grace, is to render the reformed doctrine of total depravity hypothetical, that is, unreal. Total depravity  is what all of us would have been, were it not for common grace. According to the doctrine of common grace, no one is totally depraved, except for perhaps  such monsters as Nero, Hitler, and John Wayne Gasey. This, we charge, is a compromise of the offense of Calvinism, which is, in reality, the offense of the gospel.
1.4.VII
The second fundamental doctrine of the confessions, with which the doctrine of common grace conflicts, is the teaching of the confessions that the grace of God is particular for the elect of God alone.  The whole world knows that the hallmark of Calvinism, the hallmark of the reformed faith, is its teaching that the grace of God, with its source in predestination, is particular, not universal. And this is why most of the world has always detested Calvinism, and why much of the world still does detest Calvinism today. Common grace, however, universalizes the grace of God. It universalizes the grace of God both as regards a favorable attitude of God towards people, and as regards His mighty  power within sinners delivering them from sin.
Granted, defenders of common grace, have argued that common grace is a different kind of grace from God’s saving grace in Jesus Christ. The fact remains, the doctrine of common grace posits a grace of God that is general and universal,  in diametrical opposition to the particularity  of grace in the reformed confessions. In their teaching of total depravity  and of the particularity  of grace, the reformed confessions present the doctrine of scripture. In Romans Three verses nine and following quoting Psalm Fourteen, the apostle passes a devastating judgment upon the entire human race without exception : “ all are under sin “, “ none is righteous “, “ there is none that doeth good, no not one”. This is not hypothetical, this is not what we would have been had it not been for common grace. This is reality. This is the truth about everyone of us as we are in and of ourselves, apart from the gospel of Jesus Christ.
1.4.VIII
Common grace teaches a favor of God upon all humans without exception. But according to Romans One, verses sixteen and following, apart from the gospel of Christ, there is only wrath upon ungodly  and unrighteous persons who hold the truth in unrighteousness. All the way  through the epistle to the Romans, which is recognized widely as a summary  of the Christian gospel, the stark alternatives are grace, righteousness, and life in Jesus Christ according to God’s sovereign election, or wrath, guilt and death outside of Jesus Christ. One objection then, to common grace, is that it is not only  un-confessional, but it is also anti-confessional.
1.4.IX
Second, we oppose the doctrine of common grace, because the doctrine of common grace is destructive of the antithesis that God Himself has put between the Church, and the world of the ungodly , and between the Christian, and the unbeliever. ‘ Antithesis ‘ refers to spiritual separation, hostility  and warfare. I emphasize, this separation is spiritual, not physical. Although often enough, the world of the ungodly has made the separation physical, by  boycott, reproach, and persecution. The term ‘ antithesis ‘ may  be unfamiliar to some who are here tonight, surely  the reality  is known by every  Christian. “ I will put enmity  between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. “ God said at the very  dawn of the history  of the Church in the world in Genesis Three fifteen. From then on there are two groups of people in the world, and they  are at enmity  by  God’s appointment. Of the typical church in the Old Testament, Moses declared, “ Israel then shall dwell in safety  alone.”  Deuteronomy Thirty-three verse twenty-eight. No more forceful insistence on the antithesis can be found anywhere in the Bible, than the New Testament exhortation of  Paul to the church, and her members, in Second Corinthians Six verses fourteen and following. “ Be ye not unequally  yoked together with unbelievers : for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness ? what part hath he that believeth with an infidel ? Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate. “
1.4.X
‘ Antithesis ‘ may  be a strange word, but the doctrine is basic Christian doctrine. Augustine taught it long ago, in his City of God. This doctrine we maintain, and observe, is compromised by  the doctrine of common grace. The antithesis is fatally  compromised. According to common grace church and world now share grace, a grace of  God. According to the doctrine of common grace, Christian and infidel now have sweet fellowship in grace. According to the doctrine of common grace, the Christian school must be open to the world’s thinking on matters of faith, for example creation and of life, for example, sexual and marital ethics. According to the doctrine of common grace, the Church and the world, can and should cooperate, in the good work of creating a godly  society  on the basis, not of Jesus Christ, and His redemption, but on the basis of a grace and goodness found in the world itself. The doctrine of common grace has destroyed, and is presently  destroying churches, and Christian institutions, especially  Christian schools, that have embraced and practiced that doctrine, by  opening those churches and schools to the thinking and the ways of the world that hates God. I refer specifically  to evolutionary  theory  concerning origins, with the inescapable implication that Holy  Scripture is not inspired, at least in the opening chapters. I refer to the repudiation, at this late date in history, after two thousand years of the Church’s thinking to the contrary, of the authoritative headship of the husband in marriage, reflected by  the restriction of office in the Church to qualified males. I refer to the endorsement, and even the defense, of the filthiest, most violent movies and music, for the entertainment of the children and young people of the covenant, God’s children. I refer to the approval of friendship with unbelievers, which leads, among other things, to mixed marriages, that is, the marriages of  believers and unbelievers. And I refer to the acceptance, at the present time, of homosexual behavior and relationships, and also, an increasingly  favorable judgment, upon non-Christian religions. Where the doctrine of common grace has been emphasized, the very idea of antithesis has largely  been lost.
1.4.XI
Do not mistake it, common grace is not only  a doctrine, it is also a mentality. The effects of common grace have been harmful. We do not stand tonight where our Fathers stood in the Netherlands one hundred years ago, and in Western Michigan eighty  years ago. We stand where we can see with our own eyes, the fruits of the doctrine of common grace and the fruits are bitter ! It is evident that the project and world view of common grace have failed. Society  has not been Christianized, not in Amsterdam, not in Grand Rapids, not in Chicago, and also not in Northwest Iowa. But the churches and the schools have become worldly. Do not misunderstand, we who deny  common grace, are not, for that reason, immune to the danger of  being swallowed up  by  the world. We, we ourselves, are fighting a life and death battle against the pressures and influences of a wicked world, now far advanced in unholiness. But adoption of the doctrine of common grace takes the weapons out of the hand of the Christian, takes the fight out of his soul, and indeed tells the Christian that there is no war at all.
1.4.XII
Third, we object to the doctrine of common grace because it inevitably  develops into a doctrine of universal saving grace. Despite the protestations of the advocates of common grace, that this is an entirely  different grace, from the saving grace of God in Jesus Christ; and Abraham Kuyper emphasized that in the opening pages of his three volumes De Gemeene Gratie. The lesson of history  is that inevitably common grace develops into universal saving grace, which is the destruction of the gospel of Christ. Either the advocates of common grace teach a love of God for all, and a desire of God to save all in the gospel, or they teach that in some sense Christ died for all, or, as is becoming more the case today, they  outrightly  teach  that all will be saved, in the end. Dr. Mouw could not resist that tendency of the doctrine of common grace in his book. On the next to the last page of He Shines in All That’s Fair he wrote this, I quote, “ For all I know, much of what we now think of as common grace may  in the end time be revealed to be saving grace. “ end of quote. It is to my mind ominous that in his favorable review of Dr. Mouw’s book, the University  of Chicago theologian Brian Gerrish observes that the updating of the doctrine of common grace called for by Dr. Mouw requires a reexamination of the Calvinistic doctrine that, and now I quote Gerrish, “ the divine decrees divide humankind into the elect, and the non-elect.” end of quote. That is not Dr. Mouw’s position, but that is Brian Gerrish’s observation concerning the updating of common grace, for which Dr. Mouw has pleaded.
1.4.XIII
These are three main objections of ours to the doctrine of common grace. It is not confessional, it destroys the antithesis, and it threatens the doctrine of particular saving grace in Christ alone. Are these not worthy concerns for reformed people, indeed, for all Christian people ? Are not these grave concerns that all should share with us ? Is it fair, is it gracious, to dismiss these concerns as “ Anabaptist “, those who deny  common grace as Anabaptists ? Something again Dr. Mouw does not do, and rebukes others for doing.
1.4.XIV      
In the time remaining to me, I will clarify our position regarding the doctrine of common grace in several important respects, the rules of this debate, you understand, demand brevity. First we freely  acknowledge that God gives many  good gifts to ungodly  people. From rain and sunshine in season, to the ability of Beethoven to compose the Pastoral Symphony. These gifts are bounties of providence. To the non-elect ungodly, whoever he may  be, say  Emperor Nero living in luxury and gorging himself with every  good thing creation affords, these good gifts are not blessings. They  do not come to the reprobate wicked in the favor of God. Psalm Seventy- three teaches otherwise. By lavishing upon the wicked such good things, God sets the wicked on “ slippery places “. He “ casts them down into destruction “. Let no wicked person conclude from his health and wealth that God loves him and is blessing him. Divine blessing is not identical with earthly  prosperity. Just as Divine wrath and curse are not identical with poverty, troubles and grief. That earthly good things and circumstances are not in themselves blessings is of vital importance for the comfort of God’s people. While Nero was feasting, the saints were burning as torches in his gardens, and were being torn in pieces in the Roman amphitheater. If Nero’s luxuries were a common grace blessing, the distresses of the saints were common wrath curse. The truth is that everything is blessing to the elect. Everything is blessing to the one who believes in Jesus Christ. “ All things are yours “, says the apostle in First Corinthians Three. “ All things work together for good to those who love God “, he says in Romans Eight. And nothing is blessing to the impenitent unbeliever outside of Christ. All things work together for his eternal ruin. And this must be preached to the wealthy, prospering, unbeliever.
1.4.XV
Second, we readily  admit that the deeds of some non-Christians seem good to us. And that these deeds are useful to us and other people. To conclude, however, on the basis of this, that their works are good, truly  good, good in God’s judgment, as the very  fruits of His grace in them, is a mistake. We do not determine what is good, and what is evil. God determines good and evil. And God has made known in His Word, that every work that leaves Him out, any work that does not have Him, the Triune Father of Jesus Christ, as its purpose and goal, any  work that misses the mark of His glory  is sin. “ Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. “  Romans 14:23. This position is not a new, and strange teaching in the Church of Jesus Christ. Augustine saw the apparent good works of the wicked, and he called them  “ glittering vices “, an indictment echoed both by  Luther and Calvin.    
1.4.XVI
Third. Although we deny  that common grace is the basis of the Christian’s active life in society, and the basis of the Christian’s association in everyday  life with non-Christians, what Dr. Mouw calls the “ commonalty “ of Christian and non-Christian, we affirm and practice the active life of the Christian in all of creation. And the perfect right of the Christian to cooperate with non-Christians in everyday life. That is, at work, in the neighborhood, in the armed forces, and in politics. Christians must live, in every  sphere of earthly  life, family , labor, government, and the rest. They  may  use and enjoy  all their gifts, athletic, musical and mathematical. They  may  avail themselves of the products of the ungodly  from ‘ Black and Decker ‘ tools, to Patrick O’Brian’s great series on Aubrey and Maturin. They  may  associate closely with, and cooperate with unbelievers in everyday  life : Muslims, Buddhists, and the typical American pagan whose idea of Sabbath keeping is mowing his lawn on Sunday. Denial of common grace does not mean withdrawal from society. The antithesis is not isolation. Rejection of cultural common grace does not secretly promote the life of pietism : ‘ met e'n bookje in e'n hoekje’ : with a little book in a little corner. But the basis for the full active life of the Christian in the world is the doctrine of creation and providence, not the doctrine of common grace. When Paul condemns asceticism, world flight, in First Timothy Four [ verse four ], he grounds his warning, not at all in a doctrine of common grace, but in the doctrine of creation : quote, “ Every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused. “ end of quote. “  The earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof. “  [  1 Cor.10:26,28 ] This is the basis of the Christian’s life and work in the ordinances of creation : associating with unbelievers at work, in the army, and in the neighborhood watch for burglars and abduction of children.
1.4.XVII
Basing the life of the Christian in the world on the doctrine of creation establishes the possibility of the Christians’s use and enjoyment of the creation, and of his associating with unbelievers, without compromising the spiritual antithesis. Christian’s live a full active life in the world, but, and mark this well, we live this life, not by the power of a common grace, but by  the power of the special, saving, sanctifying grace of Jesus Christ in the Spirit.
[ bell chimes indicating end of allotted time ]
Just a couple of minutes left, do I have that much grace ?
The Christian does not live his life in the world on the basis, and by the power, of a common grace, but by  the power of the special sanctifying grace of Christ in the Spirit. We live in the same world with the unbelievers, but we live by  a different power - grace. We live according to a different standard - the law of God. We live with a different purpose - the glory of God. Therefore the Christian man and the Christian woman are marked people, and they ought to be. This enables them to witness to the unbeliever. This makes the Christian the object of persecution.
1.4.XVIII
Fourth and finally, and very  briefly, we confess that God has one all controlling purpose in history. To which, absolutely  everything that happens in history, is subordinated, from the standing still of the universe in the long day  of Joshua, to Babe Ruth’s hitting sixty home runs in a season. That one purpose of God with absolutely everything is the honor of the worthy  name of Jesus Christ, the Head and Savior of the Church, and thus the glory  of God. In the eternal counsel of God Jesus Christ is first “ before all things “, Colossians One seventeen. “ All things were created  for him “, Colossians One verse sixteen. Everything serves his “ preeminence “, Colossians One eighteen. Common grace posits two distinct purposes of God with history - Christ and culture. A culture that has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, and a culture that inevitably  overshadows Jesus Christ. We say  “ no “ to common grace, because we are determined to say  “ yes “ to Jesus Christ. Thank you.


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